Wude: Anywhere to be found?

[Minghequan]

I know I am going to cop grief and "S#@t" for this but here goes:

Is there such a thing as "Wude" here?

Gene?

[Snipsky]

No.........

[faxiapreta]

Yes...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wude

[Minghequan]

Hmmmm. It would seem so.

But why is that?

[YouKnowWho]

You may have it before you come to this forum. The longer that you stay, the less your will have any left. The reason is simple. You may not want to hurt a tiger but the tiger does want to eat you alive. In order for you to survive, you have to be just like that tiger. Soon, you will no longer be a human being but an animal, and you may not even notice your own changing. There is a contagious diseases spread badly in this forum.

A: Will someone be kind enough to ... Thanks in advance.
B: Go to fu*k yourself ...
C: You are a clueless idiot ...
D: You must be retarded ...
A: You SOB, BMF, I fu*k you 8 generation ancestor, @#$%, &^$*. If you dare to come to ... I'll beat the sh!t out of you guys.

A nice person can turn into an as*hole just in few online discussions.

[Minghequan]

True, true. But only if you are not personally vigilant and stop looking within.

YouKnowWho, Why are you still here if this is the case and truth of this forum and how can this forum truly be representative of the Chinese Martial Arts if Wude is absent, neglected or not evident at all?

[goju]

Wude not here man

[Minghequan]

That's so sad. Why not?

[Lebaufist]

We de is wu jia to most here.

[Minghequan]

Why is that? Just trying to get a handle on how this forum operates. What can we do to apply Wude here?

Gene Ching,

Would you like to see a movement more towards Wude here?

[Water-quan]

People love the idea that wu de means either 1. A self righteous right to judge other people over not having wu de - quite a circular argument. Or 2. Not criticising. Actually, the primarily important aspects of wu de refer to yourself - your own honesty, commitment, and belief in yourself over when it's better to remain quiet, and when it's important to speak out.

I notice the original intent of this thread seems to be 'Hey wu de means not criticising anyone' - it doesn't mean that at all; quite the opposite: it means knowing when to criticise.

[pazman]

Wude is kind of a modern fiction.

Wude as it existed long ago has less to do with being a good guy and more to do with doing your job on the battlefield: being a vicious killer with no remorse. We don't live in those times, and I hope nobody on this forum is trying to develop that kind of wude.

Wude as you see being promulgated by many TCMA masters today was a creation of gongfu masters just over a century ago in an attempt to add legitimacy to their place in society. You can see the same sort of stuff going on in Japan during the Edo period. The samurai class, rising to power, were no longer warriors and had to struggle to adapt to their new roles as bureaucrats. Thus, you can read in books all sorts of nonsense about the Samurai code. The Hagakure is a fun read, with many "laugh out loud" moments.

A lot of what we understand in the West as wude most likely stems from Jigoro Kano's development of Judo and his impact on Japanese martial arts. Chinese martial arts never really had a single innovator like Kano. Most traditional Chinese martial artists of old were never interested in promoting their skills as a physical education, or modernizing, adapting, and improving their skills. Likewise, sharing your art to improve the human condition or honestly criticizing yourself or others was not and is not at the heart of Chinese martial arts.

Minghequan, what is YOUR working definition of wude?

[David Jamieson]

those who use it use it.
No one is obligated to use it because they are here and no one is obligated to use it with
anyone who refuses to reciprocate.

[bawang]

wude is applied to warfare

[SPJ]

if you are a sheep, you are a sheep.

if you are a wolf, you are a wolf

guess what they both flock or gather together as a group

such as sheep herd

and wolf pack

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there is wu de among sheep herds

there is wu de among wolf pack

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guess what there is no wude between the sheep and wolf

one is prey; the other is predator

one is food; the other is eater

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one may ask and wonder

where is the wu de for sheep and wolf

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none.

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