Video: Controlled Sparring Demo by the Chief Instructor of AYZYIM

[suddenflower]

I think the best way to convince us your credibility on the criticisms about the video is that you post a video of yourself, either doing exercise, performing a form, or free sparring. Among the close to 2,700 posts, do you have anything to show us your achievement on martial arts?

[taai gihk yahn]

I think the best way to convince us your credibility on the criticisms about the video is that you post a video of yourself, either doing exercise, performing a form, or free sparring. Among the close to 2,700 posts, do you have anything to show us your achievement on martial arts?

lol, I was waiting for it; you'd think that by now u guys wud hav come up w a better m.o. than the same one u beat to death 3+ yrs ago;

and what wud u like to see a video of me doing? not that it matters, bec no matter what I wud post, u guys wud ridicule it; and not that I care really what u think, but then what's the point?

I mean, what r u guys so worried about, that you need to insult me personally or ask for some sort of video of me, as if that's going to "prove" anything?

fact is this: I think what ur teacher demos is nothing more than techniques done on compliant students who like being tossed around because it makes them feel that they are studying something esoteric and über-cool; it's a two-way validation process that I have seen many times before; and it's all fine, but it's not sparring, and it's not fighting; and if it were, u guys wud show video of that, but fact is that u have this elaborate justification system for why u don't hav any, or why u do this sort of thing, yadda, yadda, yadda - same old so-called "internal" BS that has been propogated for years; u want to do it, more power to you; but until u can demo it in a situation against a resisting, skilled opponent who is not a student of ur sifu, it's just another form of mutally-agreed upon exercise that has no evidence to support its usefulness in an actual fight;

now, u may not like that I say this; that's fine - but my question is, why do you really care? if u have da r3alz, why do u care so much about public perception? I mean, obviously u do, since u post the vid in the first place - but I think that what u want is sympathetic accolades, not a critical assessment - which is why when someone does have a non-sympathetic view, u guys gang up en masse and try to discredit the poster, either by asking for some video that u can then trash, or by attacking the poster as being too wordy (like me), posting too much, etc.

u guys may want to do a little reasearch into the behavior of cult members, because ur behavior here is starting to resemble that a little...

just remember - YOU guys posted the video in a pubic forum; if you don't like that some people don't like it / believe it / agree with it, then DON'T POST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, and then u won't have to suffer that sort of thing;

[grncastle]

My personal thoughts, as suddenflower may post something different:

For starters, your original critique, I think was valid, I did not disagree with that. It was a video of a drill, nothing more. To some people, sparring means only free sparring, and some people include things like one step, two step etc. I personally don't think too much about it.

But then look at your next three posts. How were they relevant or necessary? It was like arguing for the sake of arguing, having to address every sentence, having to have word battles. What nonsense! This is how people are when they talk online. I said 4 words, and it went to lead you on easily as I knew it would. For that matter, it wasn't really my intention to say any derogatory or offending things to you, so I hope you don't take what I said seriously. This reminds me why I don't spend time talking on forums or posting things, in my view, its a waste of time. As I said, its been years since I spent any time posting on forums and in this case it's just to help out with these posts on vids. You seem like you spend a lot of time being on these things, is it useful for you?

I normally greet people with a lot more courtesy, and would've given the same to you, even after the things you posted before. It's what Ive been doing so far this week anyway, I guess I just decided to do it different and wing it this time. I don't have anything personally against you taai, and I actually like your links under your profile. It's stuff like that which is very innovative and useful. The Preheaven Power method that the workshop is about is based on the similar ideas, emphasis on body mechanics. People can take it as they want, and we're certain to get negative reactions and skepticism, we expect that. There is a lot less concern about public perception than you might think. Forums are just easy ways to reach people. And maybe my behavior tonight was a bad way to market, but I hope at least some good insight can be seen from this.

So yeah, nothing personal, I hope you get the idea of what I meant. If you don't like the video, that's fine.

This addresses what I think about this. However, I do think suddenflower has a good point about you presenting a video or something of your own. You can do that for the sake of your own argument if you want. Whatever it would be, I personally wouldn't give you a hard time about it. I don't buy into the habit of going about and criticizing everything that's out there. I don't feel like I' would've "suffered" being shown in a video, no matter how much people might think badly of it. You shouldn't have to see it that way either. Even if you don't want to post a video, more stuff like those links would be nice. I like studying into things, and it's good material.

[taai gihk yahn]

My personal thoughts, as suddenflower may post something different:

For starters, your original critique, I think was valid, I did not disagree with that. It was a video of a drill, nothing more. To some people, sparring means only free sparring, and some people include things like one step, two step etc. I personally don't think too much about it.

drilling ≠ sparring; sparring is free fighting; controlled sparring is free fighting with some restriction (e.g - targets, techniques, level of contact); and the vid wasn't sparring, it was even drilling - it was a demonstration;

But then look at your next three posts. How were they relevant or necessary? It was like arguing for the sake of arguing, having to address every sentence, having to have word battles. What nonsense! This is how people are when they talk online. I said 4 words, and it went to lead you on easily as I knew it would.

lol, that you think you caused me to "do your bidding"; let's see, I answered your post in the same manner that I typically answer most posts; yeh, boy, u really got me to do something that I had no control over

For that matter, it wasn't really my intention to say any derogatory or offending things to you, so I hope you don't take what I said seriously. This reminds me why I don't spend time talking on forums or posting things, in my view, its a waste of time. As I said, its been years since I spent any time posting on forums and in this case it's just to help out with these posts on vids. You seem like you spend a lot of time being on these things, is it useful for you?

I normally greet people with a lot more courtesy, and would've given the same to you, even after the things you posted before. It's what Ive been doing so far this week anyway, I guess I just decided to do it different and wing it this time. I don't have anything personally against you taai, and I actually like your links under your profile. It's stuff like that which is very innovative and useful. The Preheaven Power method that the workshop is about is based on the similar ideas, emphasis on body mechanics. People can take it as they want, and we're certain to get negative reactions and skepticism, we expect that. There is a lot less concern about public perception than you might think. Forums are just easy ways to reach people. And maybe my behavior tonight was a bad way to market, but I hope at least some good insight can be seen from this.

So yeah, nothing personal, I hope you get the idea of what I meant. If you don't like the video, that's fine.

This addresses what I think about this. However, I do think suddenflower has a good point about you presenting a video or something of your own. You can do that for the sake of your own argument if you want. Whatever it would be, I personally wouldn't give you a hard time about it. I don't buy into the habit of going about and criticizing everything that's out there. I don't feel like I' would've "suffered" being shown in a video, no matter how much people might think badly of it. You shouldn't have to see it that way either. Even if you don't want to post a video, more stuff like those links would be nice. I like studying into things, and it's good material.

now who's going on and on?
look, shoulda, coulda, woulda; fact is, you posted based on your knee-jerk reaction to what i posted, meaning that you obviously have a highly emotional investment in your practice and your teacher's perceived image;
so before you proclaim any proficiency for leading on others to respond as you "knew they would", you might want to apply some of that multi-hour / day meditation practice to your waking life, which appears to be somewhat lacking in the equanimity that you profess to possess;

look, people can do what they like; if training w ur sifu makes u happy and fulfilled, good for you; doubtless there are many people who hold a similar opinion about him as you do; but when u guys post in lock step and utilize scientology-like tactics to discredit dissenters, it doesn't do much for ur position;

[grncastle]

Whatever you think. All you like to do is post on forums, let that suit you if you like.

[Scott R. Brown]

I think the best way to convince us your credibility on the criticisms about the video is that you post a video of yourself, either doing exercise, performing a form, or free sparring. Among the close to 2,700 posts, do you have anything to show us your achievement on martial arts?

I am trying to understand how posting a video of oneself demonstrates how foolish your video is? All you need do to demonstrate for yourself how foolish your own video is, is for you to post one with a REAL opponent and not a compliant and somewhat naive student who can neither stand correctly, fall correctly, or throw a proper strike!

well, it seems that your wude doesn't preclude smugness and condescension; well done;

wude? isnt he uday's brother?

yeah, he would also be a typical and ideal example of a FICTIONAL CHARACTERIZATION dreamed up by Mr. Ang Lee and Mr. James Shamus

Just because you can't fly doesn't mean that no one else can! I think your jealousy is showing.

I know enuf about TCMA culture to know that all that wude stuff is mostly a fiction retrofitted onto TCMA by literati types in order to make it more respectable; the REAL Chinese MA guys didn't go in for that at all, and in fact were considered the lowest of the lows by sociey because they were soldiers, body guards and mercenaries; the whole wude thing was pretty much to make MA more palatable to royal and upper classes, so that they could justify their weekend warrior pursuits and study MA without feeling like they were stooping to the level typically reserved for the guys who actually did the real fighting; and that's how FICTIONAL CHARACTERS like Li Mu Bai got traction in the real world...

Right hit them with reality....good one....don't you know you can't reason with the unreasonable? Next you'll start telling everyone there is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Toothfairy, Leprechauns, Magic Rings to rule them all....etc!

drilling ≠ sparring; sparring is free fighting; controlled sparring is free fighting with some restriction (e.g - targets, techniques, level of contact); and the vid wasn't sparring, it was even drilling - it was a demonstration;

Yeah! A demonstration that some people will believe anything!

you think you caused me to "do your bidding"

Look into my eyes...

You are getting verrrrrry sleeeeeeepy!!!!!!

look, people can do what they like; if training w ur sifu makes u happy and fulfilled, good for you; doubtless there are many people who hold a similar opinion about him as you do; but when u guys post in lock step and utilize scientology-like tactics to discredit dissenters, it doesn't do much for ur position;

What do you expect when you interfere with another persons fantasy life! For some people, their fantasies make the real world more livable. If they didn't have their little magical rainbow mind dreams they would probably be waiting outside your house for 5 or 10 years with a sniper rifle just waiting for the right moment to........wait.....ummmmmm never mind! Pretend I didn't saying anything at all about that........ummmmmm magic IS real!!! REALLY...IT IS!!!!!!! If I say it real real LOUD it makes it true!!!!

[taai gihk yahn]

Whatever you think. All you like to do is post on forums, let that suit you if you like.

yes, it's ALL that I do, lol...

so, back to this tack now, eh? ok then <golf claps>

[taai gihk yahn]

I...that...is...we...will...obey...our...Scottish...masters...and... overlords...

[Dragonzbane76]

lol, that you think you caused me to "do your bidding"; let's see, I answered your post in the same manner that I typically answer most posts; yeh, boy, u really got me to do something that I had no control over

I don't see how posting multiple times is a control issue?

Hell I quote and post like a fiend sometimes...

[suddenflower]

lol, I was waiting for it; you'd think that by now u guys wud hav come up w a better m.o. than the same one u beat to death 3+ yrs ago;

and what wud u like to see a video of me doing? not that it matters, bec no matter what I wud post, u guys wud ridicule it; and not that I care really what u think, but then what's the point?

I mean, what r u guys so worried about, that you need to insult me personally or ask for some sort of video of me, as if that's going to "prove" anything?

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just remember - YOU guys posted the video in a pubic forum; if you don't like that some people don't like it / believe it / agree with it, then DON'T POST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, and then u won't have to suffer that sort of thing;

You have ambushed our post of the Xingyiquan video in the past. More than three years have passed and what does time tell? The video turns out to be one of the most viewed and highly rated Xingyiquan video on YouTube. For the convenience of other readers, the URL of the video is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP5OEjYVzKQ


The reason why we still post videos on this forum is that we believe the system. We believe that most people are reasonable and fair. We consider people like you the "imperfection" of this prestigious forum. The only reason we argue with you on this forum is that we don't want your biased view to influence other readers who are not familiar with the particular style or the training method.

This is a public forum and you definitely will not scare us out of it just because you have posted close to 2700 times here.

[MysteriousPower]

Can someone please post the videos of tai gyakk? I would like to compare his fighting videos to the one in this thread. Thanks

[Scott R. Brown]

Can someone please post the videos of tai gyakk? I would like to compare his fighting videos to the one in this thread. Thanks

His videos are forms, at least one is a weapon as I recall. It is unnecessary to use them to compare, the video posted here is very, very poor example of any martial skill. This is CLEARLY obvious to anyone who is not a newbie or brainwashed!

My 14 year old strikes better than the student in that video and his strikes were better than his even when he was 8 years old. Also the student obviously jumps back a number of times.

The teacher could not do anything he has demonstrated against a knowledgeable opponent. Anything is easy against a compliant, naive and/or ignorant student!

[taai gihk yahn]

Can someone please post the videos of tai gyakk?

"tai gyakk"?!? that sounds like the noise an albatross would make trying to cough up a ball of string it swallowed by accident...

I would like to compare his fighting videos to the one in this thread. Thanks

what is with this continued obsession of people seeing videos of me?

also, for the purposes of comparison, I wouldn't have to put up "fighting" videos, because the original video posted IS NOT FIGHTING!!! (yeesh)

really, all that I would just have to demo is tossing around compliant defenders; actually, I DO have one of that somewhere...let me go search...

[Scott R. Brown]

"tai gyakk"?!? that sounds like the noise an albatross would make trying to cough up a ball of string it swallowed by accident...

I see you have been to the beach!

what is with this continued obsession of people seeing videos of me?

also, for the purposes of comparison, I wouldn't have to put up "fighting" videos, because the original video posted IS NOT FIGHTING!!! (yeesh)

really, all that I would just have to demo is tossing around compliant defenders; actually, I DO have one of that somewhere...let me go search...

Maybe they want to see if you can fake internal power better than in the video here!

I'll tell you what....lets solicit these goofballs for a grant. Then you can fly out here to California, bring your family the weather is great, and we can make two "pretend" internal power videos. In one, I will be your dupe, and in the other you can be my dupe.

Then as you are leaving to return home I'll finally get my chance to blow your brains out from my albatross ball of string hide on the Pacific!

Good idea huh?

[KC Elbows]

I believe he also played a pizza delivery guy in a series of videos. Those also included struggling and a mattress.