Video: Hsing Yi Chuan (Xingyiquan) Form and Applications

[suddenflower]

Master Wei-Chung Lin, a disciple of the Yizungyue School and the Chief Instructor of the Chinese Taoist Martial Arts Association in Skokie Illinois, demonstrates a Hsing Yi Chuan (Xingyiquan) form and its applications.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP5OEjYVzKQ

[Fu-Pow]

Very cool. I recognized some of the moves in the form from the Hun Yuan Taiji I do. The applications were very good and not fancy, very down to earth and especially when you encounter a flurry of attacks coming fast.

FP

[grncastle]

The form movement is from the shoulders and has no link to the core.

You must be nearly blind to say so!

Some of the applications are good, some bad and some outright ridiculous.

May be your skill level is not high enough to see the points. Be humble.

[suddenflower]

The form movement is from the shoulders and has no link to the core.

Some of the applications are good, some bad and some outright ridiculous.

To establish your credability and authority, would you be kind enough to show us some Xingyiquan movements not "from the shoulder" and "link to the core"? It will benefit us all to see your execution of Xingyiquan in a video. Don't refer us to someone else's video. We just like to see yours. We want to make sure that you are a true expert of Xingyi, not just a "Xingyi master on pen-and paper."

[tcphillips]

The form movement is from the shoulders and has no link to the core.

Some of the applications are good, some bad and some outright ridiculous.

Dude, How about you post something that indicates what you're going on about.

Your comment about Suddenflower's video suggests you posted with no link to the core of clear thinking and plain understanding.

Or is it that you wish to retract your post?

[grncastle]

Never-the-less, my opinion is what I stated. I have over three decades involved with Chinese Internal Martial Art, especially xingyi. To my eye, involving the video clip in question, it seems that the structure is not well grounded and the techniques are being delivered primarily with mechanical energy from the shoulder.

I feel sorry about your three decade's of Xingyi training; it is a total waste of time since you haven't learned anything (or even learn something wrong) judging from what you said here. If this is really what you saw in the video, you'd better start looking for a genuine Xingyi teacher and start all over again.

Also, given my experiences in fighting, many of the techniques (especially those involving spinning the body completely around while in the centerline of the opponent) are very foolish and will be easily countered. I stand by my opinions whether you agree or disagree.

The spinning actually is a back strike. It is quite common in Bagua also. There is a lot of skill involved in this kind of move. Your bad experiences may be due to your poor skill in executing this kind of advanced movement.

I thought the purpose of a forum was to be able to post one's opinions without censure. I made two statements based on my experience regarding the video clip posted, neither of which were derogatory. Unless of course all comments posted which are not filled with glowing praise are to be considered derogatory.

When you say something ridiculously and outrageously untrue, every sensible participants in the forum felt it. To maintain the integrity and prestige of this forum, you should be responsible for what you say. Do you need me to remind you about the comments on you by Master Mike Patterson in a previous thread?

[suddenflower]

I have had many genuine xingyi teachers. Not that it would matter to you, but some of my teachers have been or are currently some of the most respected in the field. And no, don't bother to ask me to disclose their names. I am here of my own accord, not theirs.

And yes, that is really what I saw in the video. Remember I did originally say there were some good things as well as some bad and some ridiculous. My other comment had to do with the mechanics and what seems to me to be a performance that is not worthy of the title "master", although I will concede that he is beyond novice certainly and approaching decent skills. And you are entitled to your own opinion, just as I am entitled to mine.

A good bagua exponent would not execute a spinning "strike" to the inside of the opponent's center line. Spinning movements in bagua that are executed to the centerline are draws (flashing the back), not attacks. Your statements belie how little you actually understand about real fighting. And you, like so many others, are a victim of your own ignorance. On the other hand, I have fought both in competition and the street for most of my adult life. My "experiences" have nothing to do with a poor skill level. They have to do with reality. And reality says that such a technique will work only on scared students. But a determined opponent with decent skills will own you.

To save your time in describing your credentials and justifying your authorities, why don't you post a video, e.g., splitting fist or anything you have taped during the past three decades, so that we can tell how good you are? We are looking forward to seeing it.

[chrisfreel]

Uh huh. You first.

And I have all the time in the world. The reason I chose the name I did.. Anone.. is for two purposes. 1) "Anon" - Tomorrow; because there is always tomorrow and another day of training is another day toward true skill. And, 2) "a+none" as in I do not consider myself to be more than any other, hence "none".

But in regards to the man behind the mask; I am known by many and the many I do not wish to offend. Therefore, as I said earlier.. I am here of my own accord, not theirs. I say what I wish because the internet gives me, and you, and any other, the platform to do exactly that.

Because I go against your truth, you attack and belittle me. That's okay. Such resorts are always manifest in those who do not know but choose to believe. I have no problem with that and actually understand your mentality all too well.

I go on these forums so that there is not only "one voice". Because many who are truly seeking also go on these forums and I want them to have the opportunity to see differing opinions. Live with it.

You must be a troll. When he asks you to post a vid showing us anything to verify your skill, you say "you first". Uh, he did post something first. The video that started this thread, remember? Then you blather on about about your name. Like anyone cares. You talk a lot but don't say very much. Put up or shut up.

[grncastle]

I have had many genuine xingyi teachers. Not that it would matter to you, but some of my teachers have been or are currently some of the most respected in the field. And no, don't bother to ask me to disclose their names. I am here of my own accord, not theirs.

Since your teachers are "the most respected in the field," then the problem may be that you didn't learn the essences of Xingyiquan. Even the greatest teacher in the world may produce a student with very poor skill.

My other comment had to do with the mechanics and what seems to me to be a performance that is not worthy of the title "master", although I will concede that he is beyond novice certainly and approaching decent skills. And you are entitled to your own opinion, just as I am entitled to mine.

Yes, you are entitled to your opinion. But, don't forget that your opinion will be judged by the public.

A good bagua exponent would not execute a spinning "strike" to the inside of the opponent's center line. Spinning movements in bagua that are executed to the centerline are draws (flashing the back), not attacks. Your statements belie how little you actually understand about real fighting. And you, like so many others, are a victim of your own ignorance. On the other hand, I have fought both in competition and the street for most of my adult life. My "experiences" have nothing to do with a poor skill level. They have to do with reality. And reality says that such a technique will work only on scared students. But a determined opponent with decent skills will own you.

This actually reflects your ignorance on Bagua fighting. To avoid misjudging you, why don't you follow the suggestion of suddenflower to post a video on Bagua spinning movement?

You can remind all you want. That does not change my opinions. As I said, I don't impress easily. And the video clip does not impress me. End of story.

No body asked you to be impressed by the video. Just be reasonable and responsible on what you said.

[chrisfreel]

The form movement is from the shoulders and has no link to the core.

Some of the applications are good, some bad and some outright ridiculous.

For your benefit, here's your first post. Is it not insulting? You didn't say "I don't see how the structure works", or "I don't understand how you generate power this way...". That would have been reasonable, and could provoke a discussion.

Sorry, I'm not sure I believe you studied with 3 generations of masters first hand. Hey, maybe I'm a Bagua expert, I studied under Dong Hai Chuan! My great art has kept me alive for 200 years!

If you were actually as skilled as you purport, you'd probably have something better to do with your time than trolling and saying the same thing over and over.

Nevertheless, I can say you don't see what you think should be there, others do. Would that be fair enough? Would you leave it at that? Or would you rather argue on indefinitely?